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Drinks
By: Flyonthewall - 2003-07-24
We should be allowed to have a drink with our meal on Sundays. People wouldnt have to drive to Illinois, and more people would stop by on Sundays instead of driving thru to go somewhere that was wet on Sundays. I am sure that the State would tax the the fire out of it, so that would make them happy.
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Sunday liquor sales
By: Tom Byron - 2003-07-31
If Paducah citizens choose to drink, it should be their decision.
The taxes raised may go to the Kentucky Revenue Cabinet, but the food sales, convention business, wages and tips, will go to local people.
I find it ironic that since the citizens in Kuttawah allowed liquor sales, and Grand Rivers citizens did not, there are an awful lot of Grand Rivers people in The Sante Fe Cantina.
More to the point though, there are a lot of travelers passing through the area who stop there and eat.
So let Paducah City Council vote NO and send a message to the tourists - We dont want you here.
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Old Fashioned
By: Moved out of Paducah - 2003-07-31
I think you are all wasting your time. Just move out of Paducah alltogether. That's what I did. My income went up 500%. My quality of life went up 1000%. Who wants to live in an area that bans the sale of alcohol on Sunday? Maybe I'll drink on Sunday, maybe I won't. That should be MY choice, not "Paducah's" Not that it isn't hard to stock up on Saturday or anything.. but the fact that they think they can control what you do by placing a ban of this sort? I am telling you it is an OLD-FASHIONED community that will never change. Paducah is just barely a speck on the map. Move to a real metro area and get out of the dark ages.
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PADUCAHSUCKSGUY
By: FLYONTHEWALL - 2003-08-06
Great thing you moved. Guess that was why my property value went up 500%, water cleared up, and skys turned blue. Dont mess with someone who actually enjoys where they live and is proud to live in a OLD-FASHIONED community. One thing is for sure, when I walk down the streets I can say Hi to people and not worry about geting shot. Can leave my windows open, and hae the UPS guy leave a package for me on the front porch. It is just as well a PUNK like you left, who needs ya, and who would want you PUNK?
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Sunday liquor sales
By: Mrs.Degas - 2003-08-12
Paducah missed the boat on this one.The increased revenue and added employment was justification enough to have passed this law.People will drink anyway.They just stock up on Saturday for Sunday.What the people of Paducah need to get through their heads is that this is not a moral issue, it is an economic issue.You cannot and never will, dictate to people how to live. In other words, morals..your morals..If they want to drink,they will.Prohibition really worked well, didn't it??Why not pass the law and reap the benefits?? Our economy sure could use it here!!!I am not a drinker so this doesn't effect me either way.I am just looking at it from a logical viewpoint, not from a moral one.Paxton was the only one smart enough to see this.Paducah seems to be stuck in a time warp, wake up and move into the 21st century !!!!!!
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One word
By: Moved Out of Paducah - 2003-08-14
REDNECK!
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Sunday Liquor sales
By: Tim Smith - 2003-08-23
I'm glad that I can take my family out to eat after church on Sunday and not have to worry about drunks in restaurants. If you have to drink to enjoy a meal, eat at home. At least let us have one day we can enjoy with our familes.
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Re: Flyonthewalls comments
By: Mrs. Degas - 2003-08-31
Dear Flyonthewall,
No wonder "moved out of Paducah" actually moved from here,if you represent Paducah.You can and should be proud of your community,but is that any reason to call someone names and make the rude comments you did? If you were really proud of your community then you should have presented yourself in a dignified, respectful manner, because what you say and do reflects on your community.I am sorry to say you have presented an extremely poor reflection of Paducah.
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Re: Tim Smiths comment
By: Mrs.Degas - 2003-08-31
Dear Tim,
Why would you assume that just because people have a drink or two with their meal they are drunks?Assuming from your comment, you and your family never enjoy going out to eat because of the drunks?I don't know which establishment you dine at,but my family and I have never been troubled by drunks at any eating establishment in Pducah.I,myself,do not drink,but if someone would like to have cocktails with their meal, it doesn't matter to me.
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Re:Mrs.Degas comments
By: Tim - 2003-09-02
Read my comments again. You say that I NEVER enjoy eating out with my family, but I do on Sundays after church, because I can go out with other Christians and not have to worry about drunks. If you have gone to establishments that allow alcohol and never encountered problems, count yourself lucky. It doesn't happen every time that you go out, but it has happened to me. My opinion is just that,My opinion, but Sunday is the Lord's Day, and for one day a week, I think that's it's nice to have a family dining atmosphere with no liquor. Apparently the city commision agrees with me. I think it's sad that someone "has" to have a cocktail or two to enjoy a meal. Someone who has a cocktail or two is not necessarily a drunk, but that's how it starts.
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Re: Tim Smiths comment
By: Mrs. Degas - 2003-09-13
Dear Tim,
You are exactly right,your opinion is your opinion.However,if you are talking about the Sabbath,in reality, it is really Saturday not Sunday.Actually,when you get right down to it,isn't EVERY day the Lord's day??I am also sorry to inform you that alcoholism doesn't start by having a cocktail or two, it is a DISEASE.And why do you consider it SAD that some people prefer to have a cocktail or two with a meal?? What's REALLY sad,is you passing judgment on those that do.I never intended for this to be a moral or religious issue,it is only an economic one.
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Re: Mrs. Degas comments
By: Tim Smith - 2003-09-15
Again, I say, read what I wrote. I didn't mention the Sabbath, because I didn't mean the Sabbath. The Sabbath was a commandment under the Old Testament, and we live under the New Testament. The commandment in the New Testament is to Meet on the First day of the week to worship, and partake of the Lord's supper. Read I Corinthians 10:16 and 11:23-26. New Testament Christians are never commanded to observe the Sabbath. And alcoholism a disease? Who told you that?? If it is a disease, it's the only disease that I know of that God will send you to hell for. I Corinthians 6:10 says "thieves, nor covetous, nor DRUNKARDS, Nor revilers, nor extortioners, will inherit the kingdom of God." I'm not passing judgement. I'm just going by what God says. If this is only an economic issue with you, do you think that we should start selling other drugs like crack, pot, and meth? What about opening up a few whore houses. After all, I think we could make a lot of money doing those things. And yes, every day is the Lord's Day, but Sunday is a day of Worship. God bless you.
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Dear Tim
By: Mrs.Degas - 2003-09-16
First of all,I don't need a bible lesson.And after reviewing the scripture you so kindly included,it says nothing of a time or date to worship and observe the Lord's supper.When I said ,Sabbath,I didn't mean it as a Christian,Jewish or Old Testament term.I was using a term generally recognized as the day of rest.You are just getting into semantics there.And yes,Tim,alcoholism is a disease.I am in the health care profession and have read on this disease numerous times.You need to research a little more before you damn all alcoholics to hell for something they can't control.And what do narcotics have to do with the sale of alcohol??Having a couple of drinks does not make one a DRUNKARD.And yes, I believe some drugs should be legalized.And we already have whore houses,we just don't tax them.Yes,Sunday is a day of worship,but what has that got to do with the sale of alcohol on that day??People that drink,drink whenever they want,even on Sundays.It is not for me or you to pass judgement on them, only God can do that.Judge not,lest ye be judged.Know that one??And I have been ABUNDANTLY blessed by God,thank you.I have actually enjoyed this exchange,but I feel that the actual focus of the conversation has been lost.So,goodbye.
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Last comments
By: Tim - 2003-09-17
You are right about the scriptures that I listed above. I was going by memory(a bad thing to do when you get my age), and the scripture that I should have listed was Acts 20:7. "And upon the First day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached to them..." Judge Not, lest ye be judged, Of course I've heard of that. This is one of the most misunderstood and misquoted verses in the bible. We aren't to judge ones heart, but if we know that someone does something, and we acknowledge it, it doesn't mean we are judging. If we see someone kill someone and we call them a muderer, are we judging? Of course not. If We know that someone stole something, and we call them a thief, are we judging? I'm sorry that you feel that you don't need a bible lesson. I've been studying the bible for over 40 years and I learn something every time I open it. (And as a sinner, I have much more to learn) I still feel that alcoholism isn't a disease, but I realize that nothing I can say will change your mind. All I can say is avoid that "disease" by not taking that first drink. I hope that you harbor no ill feelings toward me, and I too, have enjoyed this exchange of thoughts with you. I pray that God will continue to bless you, Mrs. Degas.
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Post Script
By: Mrs.Degas - 2003-09-17
Dear Tim,
I thought you may be interested in these articles ..One is from the National Institute on Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism and the other is from University of Iowa Healthcare
Alcoholism: Information And Resources:
Alcoholism is a chronic illness characterized by the habitual consumption of alcohol. Alcohol use is to the degree that it interferes with physical or mental health or with normal social or work behavior. Alcohol produces both physical and psychological addiction.
Alcoholism is a chronic, progressive disease. It will not just go away on its own. Learning about treatment options is important
Q #2: Is alcoholism a disease?
Yes, alcoholism is a disease. The craving that an alcoholic feels for alcohol can be as strong as the need for food or water. An alcoholic will continue to drink despite serious family, health, or legal problems.
Like many other diseases, alcoholism is chronic, meaning that it lasts a person's lifetime; it usually follows a predictable course; and it has symptoms. The risk for developing alcoholism is influenced both by a person's genes and by his or her lifestyle. (See also "Publications," Alcohol Alert No. 30: Diagnostic Criteria for Alcohol Abuse and Dependence.).... So,you see,I was only stating the facts.Yours was an uneducated opinion,not unlike many other people that do not understand the disease.And the comments on thieves and murderers are accusations,based on real facts,not judgements.A judgement is either making a wise decision or forming an opinion,according to Webster.So,you see, the two are entirely different.A judgement is an opinion,so in reality you are passing judgement.I hate to resort to quoting the bible but,the quote I used about judging was not EXACTLY as it is written,but the use of it was correct.How can you judge someone else unless you are perfect??Since none of us are perfect it is hypocritical of us to judge another.We all have problems or sins,if you want to call them that,so we cannot and should not, judge others.It is also written in the bible that it is, at certain times, acceptable to drink wine.Jesus even turned water to wine at a wedding.Do you think they didn't drink it?As far as harboring ill feelings towards you,why in the world would I do that?This has just been an exchange of ideas and opinions.I respect and accept everyone's opinions whether I agree with them or not.I may not believe what others do or maybe I do,but I will never tell someone they are wrong for their ideas and opinions.And I would never push my religious beliefs on someone else,everyone to their own.We live in a diverse world and that's what makes it such a great place to live in.I do have to comment on why you stated you felt sorry I didn't need a bible lesson though.I felt it somewhat presumptuous of you to make such a comment.Again,it was really enjoyable to exchange ideas and opinions with you and I hope the info I gave at the beginning of my post helps you to understand alcoholism a little better.
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Timmy boy
By: Danny - 2003-09-18
Dear Tim,
In being a good christian you are supposed to has an open mind. Obviosly, your mind is a closed BOX. Also when someone takes a drink or two that DOES NOT make you a drunk, alcoholic, or hellraiser. Think outside the box. If you think i am judging you, i am not i am just stating an opinion about something that you have never thought about. You do take the bible too literally. Unless you go to a restaurant around say nine o clock at night then you are safe from people drinking and having a good time together. But if you go out with your christian friends at 9 or 10 then you will be around drinkers and smokers that is my opinion.
P.S. Its your choice go to RYANS.
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Thank You
By: Tim Smith - 2003-09-18
Thank you Mrs. Degas for taking the time to post the information that you did. It was very informative. It might surprise you that I know more about alcoholism than you might think. When I was in my 20's I was a regular drinker and a pot smoker, and smoked cigarettes for several years. I have been substance free for many years, thanks to my wife, leading me to Jesus. That is the only treatment that I have ever had, and praise God, I am not even tempted to go back to that old life style. If my mind was a "Box" And I was so closed minded about everything, I would still be a slave to alcohol, drugs, and cigarettes. I am sorry if I gave anyone that idea that I think that I am better than anyone else. I'm not. I'm a sinner who struggles with worldly things every day. I started off by just giving my opinion that I was glad the city commission voted down the Sunday alcohol sales (and I am), but I didn't expect everyone to agree with me. I said it before and I'll say it again. I know 1 or 2 drinks doesn't make you a drunk, but that's the way it starts. I know, That's the way I started many years ago. Again, I didn't aim to make anyone mad, but the purpose of this board was to state our opinions and it was be pretty boaring if we all agreed, wouldn't it? By the way Danny, I love Ryans. The only problem with eating there is the sin of being a glutten. Like I said, I have to struggle every day. Good luck to you!
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T Smith
By: Jonzy - 2003-09-19
Well, lets see.........
I have to say I agree with what everyone here has said. Like you say, it would be pretty boring if everyone agreed upon everything. But Danny has a point. You my friend have tunnel vision, like living in a box. And for you to act Holier than thou by reading scriptures(which by the way, most of us dont wanna hear it unless we are in church.) Also, most reformed drinkers or smokers are absolutely the worst people to listen too or be around(too fanatical.) Because you have seen your light and you want everyone to know it and you are still waiting for that pat on the back from EVERYONE. Well Tim, its not gonna happen. I am a reformed drinker and smoker also. But I dont sit in the non smoking section nor have I banned myself from going anywhere that serves alcohol. I have not banned myself from having a beer here or there either. Nor do I preach the word of the Lord. I really myself have never had a problem at any eatery in Paducah because of any drunks. So may I ask where you go that the drunks bother you so? Or are u just critical of everyone, drinkers, smokers etc etc? Just asking. As for,"That how it starts," Thats such BS. The alcohol,cigarette or joint doesnt jump up in your hand and say drink me or smoke me. You my friend and whomever decides to use any of these products, makes that decision alone. If you are pushed into doing it then you are weak minded to start with. If it only takes one or two drinks for you or someone to become dependent then there was an underlying problem to begin with, only my opinion. If you choose to do something its just that YOUR choice. No one is here to judge anyone. Do as you please, as long as you do things in moderation its all good in my book. Be real about life,and people, after all the Bible was written how long ago? How much has changed since then? Some things are very archaic in the Bible and most Religions. Like I said before........LIVE & LET LIVE!!!
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Reply to Jonzy
By: Tim - 2003-09-19
It's all good in your book? Well friend, I don't live by your book. I live by God's book. And you think I'm holier than thou by reading scriptures? I think you meant quoting scripture. I understand that if you don't believe the bible it does no good to quote it, but I believe it. And you think I want a pat on the back from people like you? If you call trying to live like God says, is living in a box, I am living in a box. I take it as a commpliment that you say that I have tunnel vision. It couldn't be more true. I have my vision aimed square toward heaven. You think that the bible is outdated? Well for those of us who believe it, Hebrews 13:8 says: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today, yes and forever. Just because you don't preach the word of the Lord do you expect me not to? Mark 16:15- Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. God created us all as free moral agents to do as we please. I just happen to try to do as God wants, does that make me a bad guy. All I know is I love God and couldn't be happier. The peace of mind I have, in Jesus is priceless. You keep doing as you please and so will I. If you're not judging me, what do you call it.(Tunnel vision, living in a box, wanting a pat on the back, holier than thou, too fanatical, ect.) You think it's bad that I want people to know the reason for my happiness. I will never stop trying to teach others about Jesus.
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Tim
By: Jonzy - 2003-09-19
Amen Tim, you said it....you live your way I will live mine.
PeacE
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Now you know why I moved
By: Moved Out of Paducah - 2003-09-25
Geesh, I thought I would check back to see what other people's thoughts were. Now you all see why I moved. Sadly, Mrs. Degas, that Flyonthewall  is a perfect example of "Paducah"
Hey tim, you never were an alcoholic... you were a DRUNK..
Alcoholics go to meetings.
And remember, Jesus turned water into wine. And what do you think they would have said it the fine Paducah council would have stepped in at the last supper and said.. "No Alcohol!"
That wasn't RC cola they were drinking you know! 
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Moved out of Paducah
By: Mrs. Degas - 2003-09-29
I couldn't agree with you more.As I stated earlier, and even gave medical proof for,alcoholism is a disease.
Most people in their teens and early 20's went thru the whole drinking,smoking and experimenting with drugs,but that does not define one as an alcoholic or drug addict.
And Jesus did turn water into wine,do people think they just sat there and looked at it?No,they drank it.And don't give me any of that well,it wasn't really fermented,if it wasn't fermented it would be called grape juice!!
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Hmm...
By: Fictisious Oddwobble - 2004-05-18
I'de like to read in the bible where it says that you shouldn't drink on sunday, that would be a interesting find, you know? But you do have to worry about people drinking and driving, it seems most acurrent on Sundays, indeed.
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Sunday drinking
By: just me - 2004-10-21
It seems to be hypocritical to drink 6 days, but not on the seventh.
There is nothing wrong with Sunday alcohol sales. Responsible people take responsibility for their actions.
I have never seen drunks in an eating establishment.
I am not a drinker.
Just Me
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Sunday liquor sales
By: I Love Paducah - 2004-10-28
As far as I know all the resturants in Paducah are full on Sundays. Just try to find a place where you don't have to wait for a table. How can anyone say the resturants are missing out on sales?
A lot of the messages I've read talk about how they can't drink on Sundays. No one is saying you can't drink in your own home. Have at it. You will just have to buy it on another day. How hard is that? If you want to eat Resturant food with your alcohol order it to go.
Sounds like some people are just looking for something to gripe about.
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Sunday Liquor Sales
By: Kent - 2005-02-16
Hi Tim. Mrs. Degas, while I agree that alcoholism is a disease (just as any substance abuse is classified as such by the medical community), even you would have to agree that no alcoholic ever contracted that disease without taking that first drink. As for sales on Sunday, put it up for a referendum - let the people decide whether or not to consume a legal substance with their meal.
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Alcohol on Sundays
By: Melber - 2005-05-16
First off I just want to get one thing straight.... the vast majority of you say that they should allow sale of alcohol on Sundays and (if my count is right) all but one of you said you don't drink. So, you all want alcohol sales on Sundays so you and a lot of other people can go out to eat and not drink like you always do?
Personally, the drinkers in the restaurants don't bother me typically. Though they do tend to be louder and slip more profanities out than non-drinkers.
For others, I like the No Sale Sundays. It gives people like Tim a time to go out and not be bothered by people drinking. It also gives recovering alcoholics ONE single day of the week they can go out to enjoy a meal and know that the temptation of drinking cannot be commenced.
Its just one day, you already have 6 days to go get your beer and steak or what have you.
Its sort of like bank hours... you have 6 days a week to get your banking done, do you grip to have the banks open on Sundays??? No, you work around it.
I agree, somewhat, that Alcoholism is a disease. Not that it is spreadable like the flu, but that it is more like rapists and some serial killers have been proven to be, it is a tendency that is hard or near impossible to resist. I agree with Tim. I have never met a single alcoholic that started by downing a fifth of jack his first time drinking. All the ones I know, or have known (RIP), started by a few sips here a couple drinks there, then evolved into evening drinkers and finally to having the bottle by their alarm clock.
I think the Old Fashioned ways of this community are part of its charm. Are you just jealous because we are no longer the only wet spot in the Purchase area and want to stay ahead of the other counties?
I have seen a few in another forum here say that allowing alcohol sales on would help the economy grow... I thought they we joking at first, but I have found they were serious.
So a few extra hundred dollars worth of beer a month will make this town start flowing with money? extra jobs?
Come on... I really don't see a CEO coming in here and going "Wow, this town is perfect for my new plant. I like the incentives... wait, alcohol is only served 6 days a week? I can't let my employees live in conditions like that. The guys who operate the heavy machinery need to have alcohol 7 days a week. And their bosses need to be able to impair their judgement or take off the edge 7 days a week. I can't have people sober one day out of the week. I'm sorry Paducah, but you'll have to find someone else to bring their plant(office, center, etc) here."
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it passed
By: k - 2005-11-27
Well, here it is, much later after all that discussion, and now it has passed. We are now allowed to drink on Sunday. I noticed that they kind of just snuck it through so all the churches didn't have time to band together and whine about it. They should have done that the first time.
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band on drinking
By: Live in Mayfield - 2006-08-19
I see how drinks in Mayfield have really brought in sales. Have you seen all the new restaurants in town? I heard some are pretty scary late at night. And our school systems have really improved, so much several of my friends have put their children in the county and private schools. Have you seen the crime rate drop? Just wondering. It is a moral issue and so much more.
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