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Brindle Puggles!
By: Susan - 7/5/06 (11:10 AM)
We have a litter of Brindle colored Puggles dug July 15 and are starting to take deposits to reserve pups. Mom is a small Beagle - 10 inches and dad is a Brindle Pug. The pups will be raised in our home and handled daily with proper socialization. Dont miss out on these rare colors! I can provide references.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Tayler Lynn - 7/11/06 (5:37 PM)
Hello,
We are VERY interested in your puggles!
How much are you asking and where are you located?
Thanks so much!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Lisa - 7/12/06 (11:01 AM)
I am interested in your puggles. We are moving into a new home next week. How much are you asking for them and where are you located?
Thanks!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Susan - 7/13/06 (4:31 PM)
hi! Just wanted to let everyone know that this litter is now all reserved, but we are starting a waiting list for our next litter in the next few months. That litter will also be brindle in color. if you would like to be on our waiting list, please contact me. thank you for your interest!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Zippy - 7/31/06 (8:09 PM)
Since Pugs do not come in brindle, maybe you mean the sire is a Boston Terrier? Brindle is not and has NEVER been an accepted color in Pugs.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: susan - 8/4/06 (1:38 PM)
No, the father is a brindle pug. They have been around for quite some time, they are just not recognized by the AKC yet. CKC and other clubs, do however recognize them.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Zippy - 8/4/06 (11:58 PM)
Now, let us talk about the pesky brindle color, and how it cannot
occur in a purebred Pug. First, the working of the ayay gene produces
the red or tan or fawn coat (in this case). The Em is dominant to the
plain E and plain e as well. That means that dogs
which carry EmEm, EmE and Eme will all appear to be the same: fawn
with a black mask. Only by having breeding records of the parents and
their offspring could you determine which specific gene a specific dog
carries.
The allele A for black coat, coupled with the brindle gene ebr will
produce black solid dogs, since A conceals the brindle gene. The
brindle gene, ebr, when found in conjunction with an Em will ALWAYS
show up as a dog with brindle markings and a black mask. The
combinations of Eebr or ebr ebr will produce the brindle without a
black mask, or brindle all over. However, ANYTIME the ebr gene is
present even if there is just one - the dog will have a visible
brindle coat color. That means you cannot have a recessive brindle,
you cannot have a “hidden” brindle gene - unless it is in a solid
black dog that masks the gene. However, any dog with a brindle gene
that is not black will show the brindle coloration. Therefore, when
someone tells you they bred a fawn sire to a fawn dam and got a
brindle puppy... it cannot happen genetically. Some other dog, which
does carry the brindle gene, MUST have been the sire if the dam is a
fawn Pug. Pugs have carried only the Em gene for over 100 years (that
is, every dog has EmEm) and this was demonstrated during test
breedings back in the 1940s under controlled scientific conditions. So
dogs with the brindle gene today must have been introduced from
another breed carrying the ebr gene, making it a crossbred dog.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Susan - 8/7/06 (9:45 AM)
Would you like to see some pictures?
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Zippy - 8/7/06 (10:47 AM)
I have no desire to see your "rare brindle pug" which we all know is a mutt. At least you arent using him to make more "rare brindle pugs". Guess anyone could expect a person to use a mutt to make more "rare" colored mutts.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Zippy - 8/7/06 (10:50 AM)
I have no desire to see your "rare brindle pug" which we all know is a mutt. At least you arent using him to make more "rare brindle pugs". Guess anyone could expect a person to use a mutt to make more "rare" colored mutts.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: susan - 8/7/06 (1:59 PM)
just because you have never seen one doentmean that they dont exist. In fact I just found out that AKC is now recognizing them as an accepted color. They are purebred pugs and not mutts, sorry to dissapoint you!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: susan - 8/7/06 (2:03 PM)
Nice plagerism in your genetics explanation.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Zippy - 8/7/06 (4:43 PM)
Keep on telling yourself and your customers that BS. I am sure you will keep making money on your mutts from mutts. Just cant help but wonder if you feel the slightest bit of guilt using mutts to produce "rare" colors to sell to people who dont know any better.
As far as plagerism, the site did not give credit to an author or his name would be listed at the bottom.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Susan - 8/7/06 (9:05 PM)
It is not BS and I do not feel one bit guilty about providing quality puppies to very intelligent people who come into my home and meet both the mother and father of the puppies. I have the proof right here in flesh and blood. I suppose you breed Pugs and arent a fan of hybrid dogs. What a shame. You are missing out on somewonderful companionship. by the way do you realize that all "purebred" dogs were once hybrids themselves, created by man for a certain purpose? Is there no more room to recognize that there may be untapped potential in the dog world? How closed-minded some people can be!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Zippy - 8/7/06 (11:10 PM)
There is a big difference between a mutt and a breed. When a dog produces true to its type, it is a breed. A breed is never a 1st generation mix, or even a 5th generation mix. In 100 years if puggles are still popular, they will be a breed, right now, they are mutts. You capitalize on your rare color and your "hybrids" to make money off your pets. Calling them "hybrids" is just another sales ploy, a hybrid is a cross between two species, not two breeds.
PS - I own a Puggle. Great dog, correct coloring, STILL A MUTT.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: susan - 8/8/06 (9:58 AM)
wrong again!
quoting Webster:
Hybrid: an offspring of two animals or plants of different races, breeds, varieties, species or genera.
A hybrid tomato is the offspring of two different tomato varieties, not a tomato and an apple.
A mule is a hybrid from a horse and a donkey, both equines, not a horse and a cow.
A puggle is a hybrid from 2 purebred dogs, a beagle and a pug.
A puppy from two puggles would be a "mutt", being the offspring of two hyrid dogs.
I am finished with this argument, you have your own opinion and areentitled to it and I have mine, along with my bridle colored Pug.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Rebecca - 8/13/06 (6:24 PM)
I'm very interested in your puggles and I would love to be on the waiting list for your next litter. About how many puppies in the litter have the brindle color?
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Susan - 8/14/06 (7:32 AM)
Hi Rebecca
I would be happy to put you on my waiting list. My next litter is in the oven right now and will be ready for their new homes at Thanksgiving time. The number of brindle pups will vary from litter to litter, but usually about half of them are brindle with the others beings fawn with black masks. If you would like me to put you on my list, contact me directly by email or phone at 513-738-4336. Right now I do have 2 people on the list one wanting brindle, one wanting fawn. Thanks for your interest I look forward to hearing from you!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: danielle - 8/15/06 (3:46 PM)
BRINDLE PUGS are beautiful..ZIPPY is just a BITCH!!!! So fast to pass off nasty comments.I guess very unhappy with your life!!!I just bought a BEAUTIFUL BRINDLE PUG 4 days ago...I LOVE HER.....AKC papers to prove she is authentic...You think your better then AKC..I don't think so ..Get a life girl.....In breed there is cross breeding to make dogs smaller and smaller.Designer dogs I think their called.Call Jessica Simpson and tell her she has a Mutt.GET A LIFE ZIPPY!!!!!!!!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Sheila - 8/16/06 (1:49 PM)
Regardless of whether you believe that cross-breeding is right or wrong, Puggles are growing in popularity, and ARE nice little dogs! I breed pures, but I would consider crossing one of my females if I found a really nice male Beagle, and there is no need for name calling. I also was unaware that AKC was allowing Brindle Pugs into registration, because brindles have been banned since the breed was accepted into AKC. I am going to contact AKC today to find out if this is true ( yep, you really can't believe everything you read on the internet...Gasp!) And will post back if it's false. And if it is, the breeder of brindle Pugs needs to be aware that it is false advertising to represent thier bridles as AKC pugs. Either way, I would hope that brindle breeders are paying as close attention to the genetic health and conformation of thier breeding candidates as they are thier color There are plenty enough poor quality Pugs out there, bred by people who are "underinformed" about the breed, or just don't care about what they produce and we don't need any more, regardless of thier color!
Ok...I just got off the phone with AKC, and according to the AKC representative I spoke with, " BRINDLES ARE NOT ACCEPTED BY THE BREEDS COLOR STANDARDS". That's straight from the horses mouth kiddies; I'm not making it up, and you can go to WWW.AKC.ORG or call them at 919-233-9767 to verify it. That said, it dosn't mean that brindle Pugs are "mutts" it just means that they are an unacceptable color ( like Isabella Dobermans...Purebred, but not a desirable or registerable color.)
Oh, and Zippy...what makes a breed a "Breed" is partly breeding true to type, but really more acceptance into a breed registration society. If it was just breeding true to type, then you would have a pretty hard time explaining the many types and varients of Dachsunds, not to mention the differences in "field" vs. "bench" types of many sporting breeds ( most notably Labrador Retrievers)and as for "100 years" before puggles are no longer mutts... that is a laughably long time span in dog breeding, and most "breeds" are breeding true within 5-9 generations ( or a little as 15 years)
So,if your pugs are the perfect representatives of the breed, and you have never produced a bad pup or a problem dog, or had any genetic problems with your breeding stock, then by all means, cast the first stone...until them, maybe you should chill out. Good day all (-:
Sheila
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: deedee - 8/16/06 (3:11 PM)
I as well have a 3 year old brindle pug with AKC papers to prove it!!!!! She had her 1st litter and had 4 brindles which are all AKC with papers. All you do is send in 2 pictures showing her color and bam you have their AKC papers.My vet. say's now they are seeing more brindle pugs.A few years ago they didn't see any. The bottom line is people should love their pet no matter what. My girl is BEAUTIFUL!!! I have a fawn girl,a black boy and my beautiful brindle girl...ALL AKC HAPPY AND SPOILED PUGS!!!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Sheila - 8/16/06 (8:33 PM)
DeeDee, interesting...could be the person I spoke to today at AKC was mistaken. They're human too (-:
Anyway, you hit the nail on the head...the most important thing is to love and cherish your pet, regardless of it's pedigree and registration status. I've owned some truely wonderful dogs that had no linage to speak of at all, and I've met some papered and pedigreed animals that you couldn't pay me to take....there's something for everyone out there!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: c - 8/16/06 (11:52 PM)
AKC doesnt mean purebred, AKC means the parents were registered. That is ALL those papers mean, and you can call AKC and ask them that! If someone registered their boston with a pug's papers, AKC would never know the difference and the pups of that dog would be registered as AKC pugs.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Sheila - 8/17/06 (10:24 AM)
C,
Your point would be what? That AKC dosen't DNA test thier applicants? That everyone is potentially dishonest, and would knowingly register a dog falsely? What exactly is a "purebred" dog in your estimation? All people really have to go on when they shop for a new "purebred" puppy/dog, is the honesty of the seller, and the registration papers that come with it...yes, it's helpful of we know what the breed standards are, and know what to look for in a nice puppy, but not all people do, and not all people care. Your attitude, and the attitudes of many of the poeple in this discussion puzzle me...why are you so angry? Why are you so suspicious? Have you been cheated on a puppy, and if you were, then why didn't YOU do YOUR homework before looking for a dog to buy? Are you afraid that a dog of a different color is going to take business away from you? ( and maybe if you are, you should reconsider why you are breeding in the first place!)As a RESPONSIBLE breeder, I know my goal is to produce healthy, correct, happy puppies, that will provide companionship, satisfaction and love to thier new families, instead of huge vet bills and grief and misery. So if someone out there is breeding Brindle pugs that have great hips ( OFA'D), Great eyes ( CERF'ed), great skin, and great dispositions, then more power to them, and I hope AKC will accept those dogs into registration. I would rather deal with that breeder than the greedy hack that pumps out 12 litters per year or perfectly " registerable" fawns or blacks, that have bad hips, problem eyes, skin allergies ( which ARE genetically based) and questionable dispositions! I currently own a rescue Pug from one of those breeders, that has pigmentary keratitosis, horrible hips and an offset bite...yes, she is purebred, and of a legal color, and this ignorant slob was selling her as a brood bitch! His intentions were not evil, he was just COMPLETELY clueless as to what a pug should look like! He never bothered to read the breed standard, or look into what some of the breed problems are! ( and the saddest thing of all is that he got this little girl from a breeder on-line, had her shipped home, and bred her one her first, second and third heats...so she has puppies out there, just a poor quality as she is!)
So if you have a problem with AKC, that's too bad, and you probably need to get over it, because their rules are pretty much the same as the CKC and most other registries. Until the Dog breed registries take the same precautions that the AQHA horse breeding industry has taken ( DNA testing on all breeding animals and photos on Registration Papers ) then there will always be that crack for slimeballs to slip through. Sad, but that's life...
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: C - 8/17/06 (12:09 PM)
Sheila AKC is the end all be all in our area. People think that AKC papers mean that the dog is purebred, worthy of breeding and healthy. A responsible breeder like yourself should know that none of those are nessasarily true, that AKC papers prove nothing but the parents were AKC registered. I have even had a buyer tell me that because her first dog was AKC, she knew his hips were good and he had no genetic disorders. I asked if the dog was OFA, she just looked confused and said No, he is AKC. AKC and CKC have very different breeding rules BTW, if you think they are the same, you need to check into CKC a bit more!!!
I personally have nothing against brindle pugs, yet I am sure that like merle chis and poms, they have a crossbreeding somewhere in the pedigree. I agree with Zippy in this, breeding mutts(puggles) for money is pathetic.
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Sheila - 8/17/06 (9:19 PM)
C
I am not saying that we live in a perfect world...I think I made my point on my last posting, that AKC registration does NOT mean you have a dog that should be bred...far from it! Responsible breeding, and responsible buying as well, require thought, research, time, money and most importantly the willingness to do the right thing. Too few people want to take the time, or spend the money for OFA and CERF testing and certification, yet both are important ( and in my opinion, mandatory in Pugs) before you ever consider breeding your dog...preaching to the choir apparently, since you seem to hold the same opinion.
I haven't looked at CKC lately, since my dogs happen to be AKC, but at the last time I looked, CKC does not require DNA testing either, and when it comes right down to it, that's the only way to ever verify that a puppy is the product of the represented parents...and even then, past crossbreeding would not be uncovered, since for DNA testing to have any impact, there has to be several generations of DNA of a breed/line on file already. So really, CKC isn't appreciably different than AKC when it comes to verification of a dogs lineage. I can't see how they CAN be much different, since they can't control what happens at the time of breeding,nor do they have any means, other than the breeders word, that the litter being registered is out of the bitch and dog that are being cited as the parents...so we are back to square one.You want a nice dog? Find a good breeder, check them out thoroughly, look at thier breeding dogs, talk to thier vet, check out the grandparents and the get of previous litters ( because established reputable breeders will be able to show them to you, and/or hook you up with satisfied previous buyers), DO YOUR HOMEWORK, then do the right things with your dog, before you think about breeding it to anything!(seems like a no-brainer to me, but it dosen't happen that way nearly often enough...)
As far as breeding Puggles, whether you do it for money, or because you happen to like that type of dog, is no better or worse than breeding a Pure if your motivations are the same. PEOPLE that breed only for profit, without regard to what they are producing are disgusting, not the puppies, regardless of whether they are Pure or a Hybrid. Puggles are nice little dogs, and they suit the needs of people that can't deal with the "Puggishness" or "Houndishness" of either pure parent....I don't see a problem with that. And until you show me a ton of Puggles at rescue organizations, like you see both for Beagles and Pugs you don't have a really valid argument...people like what they like, and though as a rule I don't believe in purposefully producing cross-bred animals, there is substantial evidence that some types of the crosses are well liked, well treated and in demand as pets, and they fill a niche that is not filled by Pures. Lets think about cock-a-poos shall we? They take two breeds that have been so ruined with overbreeding, poor breeding, and general over popularity that many of the pures are intolerable genetic and dispositional nightmares, and make a pretty nice little hybrid that dosen't have all the issues of the pure parents. Is this wrong? And if you think so, who makes you the arbitor of right and wrong? Most or all of the "purebred" dogs today are Hybrids, or genetic modifications through selective breeding if you prefer, and there is no real justifiable reason that one would be good, while another would be "disgusting"...again, it's not the dog, or the breeding that's bad, it's the people that do it for the wrong reasons, and without the knowledge to produce a sound, healthy, happy puppy.( of whatever breed)
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RE: beautiful pug
By: Maddy - 8/17/06 (9:38 PM)
Hi, As long as you love your pet and take care of you pet that's all that matters. STOP passing judment on people and be happy with yourselves...I am EXPECTING A LITTER OF FAWN AND BLACK AKC PUGS. My pugs are my babies, they are in my home and sleep in my bed.I have mom and dad this is there 2nd litter.If anyone is interested please let me know I am starting a waiting list ONE IS ALREADY RESERVED. SHE IS DUE ON SEPT.14TH.PLEASE NO NEGATIVE COMMENTS... THANK YOU!!!
Love your pets and spoil them rotten!!!!!
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RE: Brindle Puggles!
By: Susan - 8/18/06 (9:17 AM)
Wow! Has this ever gotten interesting. I spoke with the breeder of the Brindle Pugs I know and her explanation of the AKC confusion is that they have just recently started accepting them and do not have a code in the computer for that color in that breed. When she registers them now with AKC (which she usually doesnt because she has no intention of them going into a show ring - because it is still a show fault) she has to write the brindle color in and then the papers sent back show that coloring on AKC registered papers.
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expecting a litter
By: Maddy - 8/18/06 (9:59 AM)
Hello everyone..I forgot to include saying of my litter due in 3 weeks.That my pug girl is 11 lbs and daddy is 12 lbs. They are fairly small. All of my pugs from our last litter are pretty much around the same size...They have such perfect temperments sweet and gentle. They will only go to good homes..Thank You and enjoy your day!!!!!
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Brindle pugs
By: Layne - 8/30/06 (8:32 AM)
I bought my brindle female in november she is 10 months going on 11. I did register her to AKC. She is a purebred pug. All AKC asked for was pictures. They are purebred.
Thankyou!
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pug puppies
By: Maddy - 9/13/06 (4:18 PM)
Hello everyone our pug puppies have arrived this morning!!!!%
3 solid black boys and 2 fawn boys.. only 1 solid black girl!!!!
Full AKC reg.to good homes...They will be on the small side mom is 10 lbs and dad is 12lbs. 1 year health guarentee and show quality...Please let us know we also have 3 small children who handle them everyday....THANK YOU
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